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Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Dear Anna,

I am very please to be updated of your visit to Dr Swennen and Gaboury.

It make sense that you problem was existing a while ago. A review of photos of the past 20 years of your face will be very informative. May be if you send me 1 or 2, I could publish it hiding your eyes to keep your anonymat and it would be helpfull for the reader.

I like your comment about the elasticity of your skin. Being older than you, I had stop counting the wrinkles in my face. My wife share your worries about skin elasticity. I keep telling her she should not worry about aging because I am aging too.  Ah! les femmes...HiHiHi!

I am please that I had help you in your quest for the truth about your facial asymmetry. This is a very good reward for all the time I spend on this website.

Keep us informed. Your story is very interesting and will be helpful for many persons.

Best regards

Dr Sylvain Chamberland

Anna says:

Dear dr Chamberland,

I am writing you to let you know that I visited dr Gaboury and professor Swennen last Tuesday.
It was a very useful rendez-vous. There has been taken a 3D CT-scan, which was in fact very informative and clarifying. The CT-scan showed that my right condyle is enlarged, and that the right mandibular ramus is elongated. According to dr Gaboury and professor Swennen there is no hyperplasia, only elongation. They also performed clinical examination of my jaws and teeth. My occlusal plane was found to be stable, and I have no crossbite. According to professor Swennen and dr Gaboury this makes it likely that my 'problem' is not from recent date and that it has been there for 10 years or maybe even longer. I had bracelets during 8 months in 2006, and since then probably not much has changed, based on the clinical finding of a stable occlusal plane.
Professor Swennen and dr Gaboury told me that therefore I do not need pre-operative orthodontic treatment, and that surgery alone will be enough.
I am still waiting for the results of the second nuclear scan that was done recently. Of course I will also inform you about these results, as well as dr Gaboury and professor Swennen.
The next rendez-vous will be the 24th of February, and the exact treatment plan will be discussed with me then. Professor Swennen asked me to collect several photos (in frontal view) that have been performed in these last 20 years. He is pretty much convinced that the facial asymmetry was already there in my early twenties. The results of the second nuclear scan in combination with these photos from the past have to confirm this.
So probably I have become more aware of the asymmetry in these last years, rather than the asymmetry really getting worse. Of course I am getting older and my skin looses elasticity which makes my jaw-line not that tight anymore ; this might emphasize the asymmetry and make it more obvious?
Well, I am very excited and very happy that I went to Bruges. Thank you so much for your mediation dr Chamberland. Both dr. Gaboury and dr. Swennen said that they understood very well why I would like to have the asymmetry corrected; to them it's also very obvious. So I am definitely having no doubts anymore about my own observation.
I will keep you informed about the results of the nuclear scan.
Thank you once again.

Best regards,
Anna

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

You can begin fixed applianace with the expansion device still in place. However, with Invisalign therapy, I would assume that you have to wait 5-6 months after the expansion has stopped, then remove the expansion device, then do a removable appliace to maintain arch with and then take the impression to get the aligners done.

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Open technique should be the preferable approach for canine exposure as describle by Kokich, Semin Orthod 2010; 16: 205-211 and Vanarsdall, Semin Orthod 2010;16:212-221.

About your question : when we should extract?

The answer is: You extract every time when it is indicated.

Anna says:

Dear dr Chamberland,

I am very sorry for my late reply, I have been a little occupied these last days (work, rebuilding of our house and our 4 kids ;-))

Thank you very much for your answer, it really is very helpful and makes things clear to me. In addition, it makes me feel understood and taken seriously, which is very pleasant. Unfortunately I have the impression that my own oral surgeon considers me overreacting and focusing to much on the facial asymmetry. He seems to prefer a wait and see policy. So I am very happy that I came into contact with you and that you give me a good, objective view and understanding of my situation as well as your expert opinion. Indeed, I do not tolerate an aggregation of the asymmetry. To be honest, I also don't tolerate my current situation, but I also feel a little ashamed about me being so concerned about my appearance. However, I am a woman so this is quite normal I guess ;-)

It is a shame indeed that I don't live in Quebec! I am also very happy that you brought me into contact with your former student dr. Gaboury and with professor Swennen. I will meet them next Tuesday the 3rd of February and I am very excited. Of course I will inform you immediately about my rendez-vous.

You told me you are a little confused by the discrepancy between the cephalogram and my facial photos. Is there a chance that my facial asymmetry has aggravated this past year, which might explain this discrepancy? The panogram and cephalogram were done in March 2014 while the facial photos are very recent.

Well, probably you already have arrived in Bruxelles. Bruxelles is about one hour drive from where I live, just like Bruges. I hope you had a good trip, and I wish you good luck with your lectures tomorrow!

Thank you and talk to you soon,

Anna

peter bagnell says:

After palatal expansion are you required to wait 5 months for the sutures to fuse before starting fixed or Invisalign treatment.

Adawiah says:

I have question, when we will do open or closed technique? And when we should extract?

Thanks dr

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Thank you Anna for sending me your radiographs.

Here is the panogram.

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I traced 2 lines. The lower line is at the sigmoïde notch (échancrure sigmoïde), the other one is at the top of the left condyle. It is obvious the the right condyle is longer than the left condyle. I would also say that it is slightly enlarged.

The difference in uptake between left and right side is 12% (56-44). Such difference is significant and demonstrate that the right condyle is actively growing, may be at a slow pace, but it is growing.

AnMaWa-Ceph-Chamberland-Orthodontiste-a-QuebecHowever, I would have expect to see some asymmetry in the cephalogram. Normally, with such asymmetry seen in the panogram, the cephalogram would show a splitting of the mandibular plane and the occlusal plane because the right side of the mandible and the right side of the posterior teeth are not at the same level of the left side when projected on a flat plane. It does confuse me and the cephalogram do not correlate with the faical photo that you sent. Chances are that the positionning of your head in the cephalostat might have been wrong.

It will be interesting to see the result of your bone scan next tuesday. If it is still positive, chances are that you will have the choice between a high condylectomy or a wait and see when it burn out. I don't think you would tolerate anymore aggravation of you facial asymmetry.

If you have a high condylectomy, a second surgical phase will be necessary to correct the facial asymmetry in the 3 plan of space. The surgeon might offer you to do the high condylecotmy and the bimaxillary surgery at the same time. I don't know what he could recommend.

If the bone scan is negative, then you might have a bimaxillary surgery as explained above.

I can't wait to see what Dr Gaboury and Professor Swennen will tell you. I feel very limited to give you more explanation without their opinion. I did as much I could in such circumstances.

It would be so simple for me if you would live in Quebec.

Best regards.

Next week, I will be lecturing in Bruxelles for SOBOR-BEVOR (Société Belge d'orthodontie) à l'Hôtel Métropole (thursday 29, 2015)

Anna says:

Dear Dr. Chamberland,

How are you? Please find attached the radiography that I promised to send you. The photos have been made in March 2014.
I am really looking forward to hear your expert opinion! The oral surgeon told me that the increased height (or is it increased length?) of the right ramus is approximately 10 mm. I thought is was more (15 mm), I apologize for this wrong information.
I also asked for the uptake values of the bone scan that was done in March 2014: right condyle 56% and left condyle 44%. Is that a big difference?
The 27th of January I am scheduled for another bone scan (I asked the surgeon to do it earlier).
I don't think teh results of this new bone scan will be available before my rendez-vous with professor Swennen.

Best regards,

Anna says:

Hi dr Chamberland,

Thank you so much for your answer, it is of great help to me and hopefully also to your readers. I also thought that one year interval between the two bone scans was a little long, especially since the asymmetry becomes worse. I will ask my oral surgeon if I can have the second bone scan as soon as possible.
Also thank you for understanding how this asymmetry affects my self esteem. Like I told you I don't mind getting older nor having several wrinkles here and there, but this asymmetry really bothers me.

I will send you the panogram next week, once I have received it from my oral surgeon (I have appointment next Monday the 12th of January).

I am also very happy to inform you that I have a rendez-vous with Professor Swennen and dr Gaboury on Tuesday the 3rd of February. Thank you for arranging this for me.
I am really excited, though also a little nervous, that treatment is coming closer now. That feels so much better than doing nothing and just waiting.

I will keep you informed about my visit to my surgeon, about the second bone scan and of course the panogram. Hopefully my condyle is only elongated and not enlarged.

Have a great day ahead dr. Chamberland. I really appreciate your intervenience.

Best regards,

Anna

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Hi Anna,

Thank you for sending pictures to help me for the diagnosis of your case.. I made a composite picture of 3 views to help the reader to understand.

Asymetrie-faciale-vers-la-gauche-Chamberland-Orthodontiste-a-Quebec

The picture confirms that you have a mandibular deviation to the left. On the smile view, we note that occlusal plane of the front teeth is canted to the right. The upper right teeth have more display when smiling compare to the left teeth. We see gums on the upper right side but not on the left side. The maxillary midline is inclined to the left while the lower midline is inclined to the right. Your case is very comparable to the case depicted above. You chin is allso canted to the right. On the picture on the far right, we can see that right mandibular gonial angle is lower that the left mandibular gonial angle.

You say that this asymmetry begun to be noticeable in your late twenties and your are 40 years old.

You definitely have after-effect of a hypercondyle, slowly but continuuously growing condyle. The maxilla has adapted over the years to the overgrowing condyle and skeletal and dental compensation occurred. You said that the radiography show a 15 mm increase of height of the ramus on the right side.

You had a bone scan in march 2014 that confirm an increase uptake of the right condyle. You are schedule for another bone scan next march 2015.

I agree with the approach of 2 bone scan, but i would have made them 6 months apart, not 12 months. Since march is coming soon, there no reason to not do another bone scan and if you can have your rendez-vous earlier, it is nice.

I understand that your asymmetric face affect your self esteem and despite this asymmetry you have a very good looking (vous êtes jolie). But because you are "jolie", i understand that you would like to correct the asymmetry of you face.

I ask you for a panorammic xray, which you will send me by next week i hope. I want to see if your condyle is elongated or enlarge. There is a slight difference. An enlarge condyle might indicate an osteochondroma (see slide 79 to 87 of the above keynotes). As Dr Bill Proffit said in a personnal communcation: "an elongated condylar process is more likely to stop growing than an enlarge condyle" (slide #87).

You asked me if it possible to prevent further growth. The answer is yes. A surgeon can do a high condylectomy of the growing condyle by shaving the cartilage surface. This is also describe in the keynote. A high condylectomy would be indicated if the 2nd bone scan is positive. I would not recommend you to wait until the process of overgrowth is burned out because it might be active since the last 10 years and you are already affected with the asymmetry.

So let's assume that the bone scan is positive, i would consider a high condylectomy to stop the growth process and let you heal for 6 to 12 months. Meanwhile, i would start a comprehensive orthodontic treatment ot decompensate the dentition and plan for a bimaxillary surgery.

3D-surgical-planning-NaRo-Chamberland-Orthodontiste-a-quebec

 

If the bone scan is negative, you could plan a comprehensive orthodontic orthognathic treatment plan and  do the same type of surgery describe above.

Of course, the pro and cons of surgical approach will need to be discuss with you, the surgeon and the orthodontist.

WHat I wrote is an opinion that can not be consider a final diagnosis or a final treatment plan.

I have recommend you Dr Martin Gaboury, a surgeon that graduated from the oral and maxillifacial surgery program at Hôpital Enfant-Jesus in Quebec. He is actually doing a fellowship in Bruges with Professor Gwen R.J. Swennen.

You should get a rendez-vous with Professor Swennen and mention that you would like Dr Gaboury to assist during the consultation.

Gwen R.J. Swennen, MD, DMD, PhD, FEBOMFS, MSc
Professor, Division of Maxillo-Facial and Facial Plastic Surgery, Department of Surgery,
Bruges Cleft and Craniofacial Centre,
Three-Dimensional Facial Imaging Research Group (3-D FIRG),
General Hospital St-Jan Bruges,
Ruddershove 10, Bruges 8000, Belgium

Telephone: +32 50 453018

 

Best regards

Keep me inform.

Dr Sylvain Chamberland

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Anna says:

Dear dr Chamberland.
My case is comparable and I have a similar question.
I am a 40-year old women with slowly increasing facial asymmetry since my late twenties which is becoming more and more evident over the last 2 years. Other people are also telling me my appearance has changed and that my lower face looks canted /rotated.
I have significant mandibular asymmetry, both on the vertical and horizontal dimension and a significant cant of my maxilla down on the right side.
A technetium scan was performed in March 2014 which showed a slightly increased uptake in the right condylar area. Radiography showed hemimandibular hypertrophy with increased height (1,5 cm) on the right side.
I was told that no treatment can be started until the growth has burned out, and in March 2015 a new technetium scan will be performed to check the condylar activity. However, I am worried the situation is becoming worse and worse, and the change of my appearance is really bothering me even though I am a mother of 4 who does not mind getting older in general.
My asymmetric face and smile affect my self esteem. Therefore I would really like to ask your opinion.
Would you advise prevention of further growth so that surgery can be performed? Or would you recommend waiting?
Thank you in advance.

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

I agree with an exposure of the crown of your impacted canine. I doubt that the oral surgeon put the bracket on the wrong side. Once the canine is exposed, he can put it only in a place where he has access. If the tooth is rotated, the orthodontist qill derotate it when he can rebond the tooth.

Surgical approaches shown in this page are fairly common and not that much painfull. Of course you may have to take some advil or tylenol the 1st week.

Crystal says:

My orthodontist is having a difficult time pulling an impacted cuspid thru the bone/tissue. He now wants to make small punctures into the bone that will soften this area in order to pull it out. Apparently, my oral surgeon put the exposure bracket on the wrong side. Is this a common procedure? Is it painful?

Dario Sajeva says:

Our conversation is interesting.
I was misunderstood ... I thought you treated, for purposes interceptive growth, even nuanced skeletal deformities, submitted at the end of orthodontic treatment to genioplasty.
With this in mind, I wanted to know if those patients with eventual residual vertical growth, had maintained the morphological benefits introduced by the genioplasty and if ever there was need ( through time ) to repeat the surgery.

Of course you are welcome to Italy. Can you doubt it?

A warm greeting

Yeni Salgado says:

May you continue using your invisalign liners while having a sore throat?

Dr Sylvain Chamberland, Orthodontiste says:

Thank you for making the precison about hyperdivergency and unfavourable vertical growth problem.

Chances are that hyperdivergent growth profile, there would be a vertical maxillary excess and short ramus and anterior openbite. Such skeletal malocclusion are addressed differerently and are likely not cases suitable for genioplasty as an isolated procedure.

Patient that have such skeletal characteristics will likely benefit from bimaxillary surgery at the end of their growth period.
They may also benefit from miniscrew and intrusion of maxillary and mandibular buccal segment to get a counterclockwise rotation and closing of the bite.
If lip competency is not obtained with a genioplasty, it might not be a case suitable for genioplasty.

These exception are covered in the keynote lecture that I did from this article.
The keynote is not online yet. But if you invite me in Italy, it would be a pleasure for me to go.

With this answer, i wish i was able to resolve some of the misundertanding.

Cordialement,
Recevez mes salutations distinguées

Dario Sajeva says:

Dr Chamberland
Thank you for your comprehensive reply, but I am afraid that I haven't explained well. There is a basic misunderstanding.
When I was talking about .." .Hyperdivergent".. I was not referring to your case; I meant to refer to your experience with skeletal deformities hyperdivergent growth profile, in which the genioplasty was performed.
Your case is obviously not one of these. Then with regard to the "Unfavorable growth pattern", in this case I was referring to your experience about a skeletal problem that gets worse in the vertical growth, canceling out the benefit produced by a possible genioplasty.

I was not referring to restrictions of growth produced by the surgical act; this is quite debated topic.

I'm sorry that our conversation was spoiled by this basic misunderstanding.

Having acquired that you haven't treated surgical patients , it was still interesting to know this conceptual development of the technique.